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Peter
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12/09/2013 : 15:24:50      reply with quote


Coun Naylor expected the Local Plan to earmark fields between Brunthwaite and Cringles as the location for most of Silsden’s new housing development.

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12/09/2013 : 17:27:47      reply with quote


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12/09/2013 : 19:36:21      reply with quote


There aren't many brown field sites left in Silsden, let them get on with building some decent affordable housing where it won't offend more than a few people. If it's done properly......don't worry, there's plenty of green belt left.
The story of 2000 more houses in Silsden is a myth, another few hundred would not be a problem if it's managed properly. Infrastructure is not a problem if tackled as part of the overall plan. If they can spend £4bn building a new sewer for London, they can manage one for Silsden!
Maybe a new modern school on the outskirts covering primary and junior would be better than trying to cram in extensions to schools built in the Victorian era.
Let's go forward rather than backward happy :)
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12/09/2013 : 21:45:17      reply with quote


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The story of 2000 more houses in Silsden is a myth, happy :)
True, it will be at least 250 on top of that with no improvements to the infrastructure.
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13/09/2013 : 13:56:44      reply with quote


www.bradford.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/2AC6C2AF-3BCB-4383-9981-D3F136965383/0/Silsden.pdf

Follow the link that shows that they estimate between 1700 and 2300 houses for Silsden.

Might start working from home,cause I won't get anywhere in my car LOL!!!
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24/09/2013 : 08:08:41      reply with quote


A big speach today from the Labour leader where he will announce that his party want to double the number of houses built. Serious implications for those of us in Silsden, part of a Labour party controlled council where the local Tory Councilor supports Labours expansion plans.
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24/09/2013 : 08:53:15      reply with quote


I don't think we are in any serious danger from the so called labour party, if they were to return to power, they would continue their policy of sucking up to the city and dishing out honours to MDs who close their British factories and move production abroad. As someone who's family had to move to foreign parts
(Steeton) because they couldn't afford a house in Silsden, I am not against some house building here. I am very much aware we are lacking in infrastructure to support such, but Greater Bradford have no interest in Silsden except as a cash generator.
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24/09/2013 : 08:54:39      reply with quote


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As someone who's family had to move to foreign parts
(Steeton) because they couldn't afford a house in Silsden, I am not against some house building here. .
I am sure we all agree on the need for new housing.Everyone in Silsden lives in a house that was green fields many built in my lifetime.
In proportion and sustainable, two words not used in Bradford City Hall.
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24/09/2013 : 20:56:20      reply with quote


All of the current housing problems were created by Tory governments.

They effectively subsidised home ownership over renting. First of all by removing schedule D as an income tax liability for home owners. Then by introducing tax relief on mortgage payments. Then there was the sale of council houses at massive discounts. They are still at it by subsidising mortgages.

The effect of all this has been to increase the perceived value of housing above that that a honest free market would deliver. Compared to the control freakery of the Tories labour are non starters.

Throw in the immigration they encouraged to ensure wage rates are kept down we have a population that exceeds the available housing.

So thank the Tories for all those green fields that will be built on by their political supporters using cheap imported labour and not bothering to train apprentices for the future.

As Silsden is obviously a Tory town you have reaped what you have sown.
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24/09/2013 : 21:29:27      reply with quote


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All of the current housing problems were created by Tory governments.

They effectively subsidised home ownership over renting. First of all by removing schedule D as an income tax liability for home owners. Then by introducing tax relief on mortgage payments. Then there was the sale of council houses at massive discounts. They are still at it by subsidising mortgages.

The effect of all this has been to increase the perceived value of housing above that that a honest free market would deliver. Compared to the control freakery of the Tories labour are non starters.

Throw in the immigration they encouraged to ensure wage rates are kept down we have a population that exceeds the available housing.

So thank the Tories for all those green fields that will be built on by their political supporters using cheap imported labour and not bothering to train apprentices for the future.

As Silsden is obviously a Tory town you have reaped what you have sown.
It matters not whether people rent or buy homes the number of houses remains the same.
A few years ago the birthrate was falling but now its increasing, adding to Labours open door immigration policy means a housing shortage.Both parties have failed to plan ahead.Its simplistic to blame the right to buy.
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25/09/2013 : 08:19:59      reply with quote


Bring on the affordable housing!!!!!
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gazzer
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25/09/2013 : 08:46:10      reply with quote


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Bring on the affordable housing!!!!!
Homes for 1st time buyers, homes(bungalows/flats) for an ageing population,Homes for young families,Executive homes. Its a good mix of houses that are needed in proportion to the needs of the area.

What Bradford Council will give us will be executive detached and three story town houses. There will be a few affordable houses built by the developers as sweeteners.
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25/09/2013 : 11:01:05      reply with quote


Shouldn't the houses be built where people work? Silsden is an easy target for Bradford to fulfil their housing quota, but there is nothing sustainable about people clogging the roads to drive miles to work.

I haven't seen any proposals to build new schools or a bypass, or sewerage capacity, or new jobs, or in fact any infrastructure in the area.

There will just be a nibbling away at the edges until one day we will look back and realise how much we have to put up with because Bradford won't build on brownfield land and put people where the jobs are.
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25/09/2013 : 11:34:56      reply with quote


They tried this in Soviet Russia....tell the people they have to live next to their jobs all the time. The days of ordering people to live in cities are over...who wants the high crime, poor schools, pollution, when they can choose to live in a nice area such as Silsden? If they can afford it, and prices are reasonable here, why not?
Sounds like the state would control everyone again....God help us!
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25/09/2013 : 20:39:31      reply with quote



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A few years ago the birthrate was falling but now its increasing, adding to Labours open door immigration policy means a housing shortage.Both parties have failed to plan ahead.Its simplistic to blame the right to buy.
Immigration is a Tory creation. Better to bring in cheap immigrant labour than train locals and pay a decent wage. Just listen to the Tory howls when Labour suggested that for every qualified immigrant firms took on a local apprentice was also taken on. Torys actively supporting immigration. Torys having no interest in training the local work force.

The smoke screen from the Tory press hides the truth.
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Peter
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25/09/2013 : 22:48:36      reply with quote


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Coun Naylor expected the Local Plan to earmark fields between Brunthwaite and Cringles as the location for most of Silsden’s new housing development.

news.silsden.net/archives/689
Hey guys, this is the subject sad :(

Local Development Framework (LDF) – houses on a green field near you

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gazzer
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26/09/2013 : 08:15:58      reply with quote


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A few years ago the birthrate was falling but now its increasing, adding to Labours open door immigration policy means a housing shortage.Both parties have failed to plan ahead.Its simplistic to blame the right to buy.
Immigration is a Tory creation. Better to bring in cheap immigrant labour than train locals and pay a decent wage. Just listen to the Tory howls when Labour suggested that for every qualified immigrant firms took on a local apprentice was also taken on. Torys actively supporting immigration. Torys having no interest in training the local work force.

The smoke screen from the Tory press hides the truth.
Labour allowed uncontrolled immigration from Eastern Europe and do not forget when Milliband said in his speech about immigrant/apprentice immigrants from the EU are not counted as immigrants as they have the right to settle here.Job or no job.
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26/09/2013 : 09:52:27      reply with quote


PLEASE DO NOT HIJACK THIS TOPIC which is about building houses on the green fields of Silsden.

IT IS NOT ABOUT immigration, if you want to talk about that then start a new topic.

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gazzer
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26/09/2013 : 11:48:56      reply with quote


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PLEASE DO NOT HIJACK THIS TOPIC which is about building houses on the green fields of Silsden.

IT IS NOT ABOUT immigration, if you want to talk about that then start a new topic.

Thank you, Peter
Houses will be built on green belt in Silsden because Bradfrod have to meet supply/demand quota's set by Government so we do need to look at the cause of underlying demand. Immigration will be central to one of my objections based on the houses need to be built where they are needed which includes areas overstretched because of immigration.
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26/09/2013 : 21:02:12      reply with quote


Point Taken. So how about some suggestions to solve the housing shortage.

When we moved to Silsden nearly 20 years ago it was obviously an area ripe for housing development. Consequently we did not waste money on a house with a view. For obvious practical reasons it has never happened to the extent expected. The reasons are those of vehicular access. A relief road/bypass is needed. The houses might be built but are not going to very attractive if the access is a continuous traffic jam.

If areas such as Silsden are limited in their expansion capability without new roads then what is the solution.

One is to build a new town. The Aire Valley with its railway is a good choice for such a town and the area I have seen suggested is Gargrave. I am not a town planner so do not know if this is reasonable.

Silsden is a possible choice to be expanded into a 'new town' although I suspect the terrain negates that. Same problem in the Wharfe Valley.

Another problem is work and travel. When Silsden was a working town all the workers in the mills lived in Silsden and walked to work. Today people tend not to live and work in the same place and so travel to work, generally by car alone or combined with rail travel. Car travel for individuals is a very inefficient use of roads as the space/person is enormous compared with other methods.

Today people have the choice of not living within walking distance of work. Is it a choice that can be maintained?

Finally a personal opinion on house building. It is a crude and primitive industry that has changed little from Roman times and before. If houses were made like cars there would not be a housing problem






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29/09/2013 : 15:09:02      reply with quote


regarding Gargrave, is not it within the YD National Park??
solid wood flooring

gazzer
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30/09/2013 : 09:17:07      reply with quote


There will be plenty of scaremongering stories like this one in the next few weeks/months.

‘Thousands more homes are needed to end Bradford's housing crisis’

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10706117.___Thousands_more_homes_are_needed_to_end_Bradford_s_housing_crisis___/
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25/10/2013 : 21:21:04      reply with quote


The leader of Bradford Council speaks

Before any houses are built the infrastructure will have to be in place

2 hours and 42 minutes into this broadcast



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05/02/2016 : 17:30:39      reply with quote


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As Silsden is obviously a Tory town you have reaped what you have sown.
OLD THREAD ALERT TO ILLUSTRATE HISTORICAL COMMENTS ON SILSDEN BEING A TORY TOWN.




I have pulled this thread out to illustrate the ongoing thoughts of Old Miner who never fails to suggest that the people of Silsden voted in Tory Councillors so its our fault when we do not get our fair share.No matter that voters from Steeton,Eastburn and Addingham join with us to vote.Forgetting we recently had only one out of three cllrs who were Tories. Its just the same old same old.
Even getting it in to a thread about somebody wanting to invest in a new business venture in the Town.
Always talks in the "you voted for the Tories" even when addressing people who clearly did not.
So in a virtual game of political Top Trumps, Im afraid Old Miner you live in a Tory Country,you(the electors) voted them in and you reape what you have sown!!!.
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old_miner
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05/02/2016 : 20:57:29      reply with quote


EXACTLY

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GAMEKEEPER
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07/02/2016 : 09:49:36      reply with quote


Neither Silsden, nor national government related, but still pertinent to this thread:

m.ilkleygazette.co.uk/news/14252999.Ilkley_councillor_attacks__illogical__planning_permission/

This just goes to illustrate the incompetence at Bradford met. Similar applications will be passed regionally.
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05/09/2016 : 10:37:00      reply with quote


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The Inspectors Report and Appendix are available to view on the Council’s website at:

https://www.bradford.gov.uk/planning-and-building-control/planning-policy/core-strategy-dpd/?Folder=9+Inspectors+Report


Basically - we are screwed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Interesting to see there are supposed to be improvements to infrastructure to go with the increased number of housing allocated to us but no mention of what that really means and more importantly when!

The plan is supposed to cover the period from 2015 to 2030 and we are supposed to accommodate an extra 1200 houses. We are now in 2016 and I think most of those houses are already built of planed - so what is going to happen for the next 14 years, look out for Bradford sneaking in a few more houses?

The plan mentions:

Silsden will see the creation of (was 1,000) now 1,200 new homes with associated community facilities and the creation of Silsden Rural Business Park.

Supporting highway infrastructure will be provided together with good walking and cycling links to Silsden and Steeton railway and bus interchange station.

Anyone know where Silsden Rural Business Park is?


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05/09/2016 : 13:52:20      reply with quote


It also mentions "traffic and transport
investment (including the Eastern Relief Road) will be addressed in more detail at
the site allocations stage". So we are getting one then?
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05/09/2016 : 16:26:57      reply with quote


Silsden
and
Steeton with Eastburn
are designated as Local Growth Centres. The
proposed apportionments are slightly above the base
line population proportion,
recognising their role, function, accessibility, su
stainable location along main
transport corridors, potential to accommodate growt
h and the latest assessment of
housing land supply. The increased amount of devel
opment now proposed at
Silsden
(+200 dwellings) is largely due to the less precau
tionary approach of the
revised HRA work and an updated assessment of poten
tial housing land.
170.
Some concerns have been raised about the ability of
Silsden
to deliver the amount
of expected growth, particularly in terms of flood
risk and infrastructure, including
schools. However, these factors do not detract fro
m its proposed position in the
settlement hierarchy. Silsden is a hub for the upp
er Airedale/ Wharfedale
communities, and the updated HRA work indicates tha
t the increased amount of
development could be accommodated without having an
adverse impact on the
integrity of the South Pennine Moors SAC. The late
st SHLAA
[PS/G004i]
identifies
sufficient potential land to meet the increased fig
ure without using any land in the
Green Belt or within Flood Risk Zones 2a or 3. CBM
DC has identified no
infrastructure issues which cannot be addressed by
the relevant service providers
when the detailed location and size of development
sites has been established in
the SADPD; critical infrastructure is identified in
the LIP
[EB/044; PS/M005]
. No
service providers have raised objections to the ori
ginal or revised target figure,
and issues relating to drainage, flood risk, school
capacity, traffic and transport
investment (including the Eastern Relief Road) will
be addressed in more detail at
the site allocations stage.
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05/09/2016 : 16:28:45      reply with quote


Silsden is a "hub for upper Airedale/Whafedale".. Did the inspector not visit the area or even get a map out??
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