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26/01/2015 : 19:02:10      reply with quote


PLANS to build 62 houses on the edge of Silsden have prompted renewed calls for a bypass and replacement school.

The proposals for a new estate off Bolton Road, on the Addingham side of Silsden, has attracted a large number of objections.

www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NGD104DH02F00

Townspeople claim existing traffic problems in Bolton Road would be worsened by new residents trying to access the road from the estate.

Silsden town Mayor Chris Atkinson has demanded planning permission is not given until a long-awaited bypass is built to take traffic away from the town centre..

He and fellow town councillors last week voted to oppose the plan on several grounds, particularly the lack of infrastructure in Silsden to cope with so many new houses.

Cllr Atkinson and fellow town and district councillor Adrian Naylor have organised a meeting this month where townspeople can put forward their views.


Outline plans were submitted to Bradford Council last month for houses on two adjoining sites, one on a field bordered by Bolton Road and the electrical plant machinery company Airedale Factors, and the other on a square of land bounded by Breakmoor Avenue, Townhead Farm and Airedale Factors.


She [Kathryn Foster] added: “Bolton Road has a dangerous corner and a very steep slope into Silsden. There’s a 30mph limit but cars are tanking up and down.”

Cllr Atkinson, chairman of Silsden Town Council, said that when Silsden was earmarked for 1,000 new homes in Bradford’s Unitary Development Plan, the understanding was that no major development would be approved until the town had a bypass.

He said: “The bypass isn’t here yet, so this application is premature. It has to be a big ‘no’. There are already too many cars on Bolton Road.”

Cllr Mallinson, said: “In two years the schools in Silsden will be beyond capacity. With the amount of housing coming forward, children will be forced to have their education in portable buildings.”

Cllrs Atkinson and Naylor's special councillor's surgery will be in Silsden Town Hall on Wednesday, January 28, from 6pm to 8pm, and it is hoped, will be attended by an agent for the housing developer.

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Note: This is a Ward Councillor Surgery where you can see the plans and talk to your Ward Councillors (Adrian Naylor and Chris Atkinson). This is probably just the first of many large development plans which will be proposed for Silsden. If you have any concerns you should make your views known eg infrastructure, sewerage, flooding, transport, traffic congestion, schooling etc.
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27/01/2015 : 08:09:21      reply with quote


Thanks for the info - much appreciated
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27/01/2015 : 09:39:34      reply with quote


While the traffic and road infrastructure problems are obvious and water, gas and electricity can easily be upgraded it leaves the big one, drainage and sewerage.

Now we are,told that Silsden cannot cope. Fine, but what are the figures? Drain sizes, outflow rates etcetera. This a technical rather than emotional argument and figures need to be reasonably accurate.
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27/01/2015 : 10:54:10      reply with quote


This is an announcement for the Ward Councillors surgery which is taking place tomorrow night (Wed). If you would like to know more about the application and the documentation please see:

www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NGD104DH02F00

If you go along to the surgery you could ask your questions there.
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27/01/2015 : 12:57:27      reply with quote


roll on the new bypass,HOUSES, school, traffic,more people to use silsden shops and pubs etc,bring it on its called progress,the population certainly is`nt going down?????!!!!!happy :)laugh :D
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27/01/2015 : 13:52:36      reply with quote


Does anyone have a link to the bypass plans? I have concerns from a noise perspective. Faster traffic = more intrusive tyre noise.
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27/01/2015 : 14:16:57      reply with quote


there are no plans for a bypass! on the old plan there were plans for an access road to the proposed housing sites which would act as a bypass. There is no money for a road, the housing developers would have to fund it
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27/01/2015 : 14:50:31      reply with quote


Glad to see all our District Councillors are now supporting the need for a By-Pass. National Funds are limited - but at least with local support there will be the chance that Silsden will get a slice of the cake. Taking the traffic out of our town will reclaim the main street for locals and shoppers!

The next argument will be the route and no doubt many NIMBY messages - and quite right too! - but at least we should send a positive message - SILSDEN MUST HAVE A BY-PASS! Lets leave the choice of route to the Engineers

PS - and yes, of course, get the developers to help fund it! If the houses are coming lets get something for Silsden at the same time - its our big chance.

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27/01/2015 : 15:33:54      reply with quote


Before you start jumping up and down about a bypass which will never happen you might like to read these documents:

silsden.net/udp/silsdenUDP_RDDP_Inspectors_Report.htm

silsden.net/udp/silsdenudpmap-small.htm

news.silsden.net/localdevopmentframework/silsden-town-would-grow-by-a-half-under-framework

A bypass is a good idea in theory until you work out there is no money to pay for it. It would cost a fortune to bridge the canal and PLEASE read the conclusion by the inspector of the 2005 review (first link above). Piecemeal development would take place from both ends of Silsden and there would never be a bypass as it would have to be paid for by the developers.

The second link is the development proposed in 2005 - it shows the proposed route of the bypass, what has changed?

The third link is an article written about a year ago on housing plans for Silsden - food for thought.



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27/01/2015 : 15:47:36      reply with quote


A bypass along the eastern boundary, which is the only viable option realistically, would cost tens of millions. Bradford certainly arent going to pay for it and it woudnt be financially viable for any developer to take it on.

Improvements along existing roads, with local access signage, one way traffic and a reduction in parking on the main street would make significant improvements to the peak time congestion.
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27/01/2015 : 16:14:54      reply with quote


Raver ;
Give it a rest with your by-pass , as Peter says it will never happen . May I suggest you look up the difference between a By-pass and an Access road ( Brad mets idea of a by-pass in the UDP ) One of the main constraints that stopped the building of over 4,000 house's in the UDT was that the builders had to build the 2 bridges over the canal before work could start . That was the end of the UDP plan but not Brad Mets dream of all the cash that would flow out of Silsden into their coffers .
If you want traffic thundering through Silsden without slowing down then remove the parking but i bet within a few days you will want it back .
The only one way sytem available is along Elliot St , Dradishaw Rd down Skipton Rd then exit out of Bell Sq . Silsden would gridlock not to mention all the traffic going past the school .
The time is coming when Silsden will have to stir again or Brad Mets / Developers greed will ruin it once and for all .
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27/01/2015 : 16:22:40      reply with quote


..and so the NIBYS start...!

Just a reminder that it is now 2015 not 2005 It is not a maybe that there will be piecemeal housing development - we WILL have 1700 new homes built in Silsden, so lets face up to the problem.

For us to live in a sensible environment we must be positive and demand a by-pass. Yes it will cost a fortune and yes it will need to pass somebody's backyard but those are the consequences of a decision on a new road - lets at least TRY to get one built. Lets say YES yes yes rather than no no no!, There is only so much money to go around and towns that have a positive approach are the ones that will get the investment. Don't let Silsden lose out!

PS 1700 homes X £1000 each generates £1.7m towards the cost....that money will evaporate once the houses are built.
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27/01/2015 : 18:04:54      reply with quote


There are not going to be many opportunities to get a bypass the houses will come, but if there is no plan now for a bypass then the problem will get worse, traffic and tailbacks. The increased population might make the town centre more viable with more local trade, passing trade will decrese but local trade increase. Also just like addingham the bypass has made property more desirable so council tax is higher on new builds ( more money for Bradford!)
Houses will come we need to plan the infrastructure to match/ beat it
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27/01/2015 : 19:31:41      reply with quote


Not a NIMBY but a Realist . Cost probally about £100m by the time you have bought the land , built the bridge's & the by-pass its self . Then the small issue of where are you going to build it , remembering the difference between a By-pass & access road . Time scale at best 5 years . So till you can provide answers to all these I'll carry on being a Realist not a giver of false hope .
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27/01/2015 : 22:44:20      reply with quote


..so not NIMBY's but NO HOPERS!

Nobody seems to be against a By-Pass right? - just put off by the cost, or some old reports or perceived problems with the route.

So lets get positive and get behind our Councillors and bang the drum for Silsden! Skipton and Addingham did it so why can't we? Once there is a move for a By-Pass then the financial and physical challenges can be tackled. Nothing gets done without some ambition.....

Just imagine what the town would be like with all the through traffic gone? No need for one way systems, with places to park by the shops and some vitality to our centre.

Perhaps just imagine with no By-Pass. The current situation with all the extra people from 1700 houses - plus the houses that will be built in Addingham and Ilkley.....
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28/01/2015 : 00:10:18      reply with quote


My head hurts from the wall sad :( sad :(
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28/01/2015 : 07:16:37      reply with quote


I don't think many would say its not wanted or needed (except those in it's path) however be realistic - the cost. You raise £1.7m by charging £1000 per new house and where does the rest come from? The route goes over flooding land and a canal - it'll easily cost in the 10s of millions and probably nearer the £100m mark. No one is going to fork out that cash for a by pass that by passes 10000 people
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28/01/2015 : 07:55:17      reply with quote


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Skipton and Addingham did it so why can't we?

both of which lie on a major trunk road (A65) which is managed by the Highways Agency and is listed as a priority route across the Southern Pennines.

The A6034 is neither of these, and is 'owned' by the local authority. It will never see the scale of development talked about here in terms of a full-scale bypass. An access road into a housing development? maybe but not across the flood plain and the canal. Much more likely something like what is being proposed on this development, a link in from Bolton Road
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28/01/2015 : 09:51:39      reply with quote


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GAZZER ‏@silsdengary 2h2 hours ago

@dave4wibsey More housing in Silsden in for planning.No mention of by-pass.Dont forget your promise infrastructure in place before housing
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@silsdengary haven't seen plan but I would expect transport issues to be addressed as is normal
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28/01/2015 : 10:47:11      reply with quote


This housing deleopment will be, like all the rest to follow, will be a nibble at the overall plan to build lots of houses in Silsden.

Never mind sorting out the infrastructure FIRST - traffic congestion, sewerage, flooding, education, JOBS.

How is any house building sustainable if no local (permanent jobs) are provided first, traffic will only get worse because people will have to travel to and from work to jobs which will not be local.

Money, money, money all going to build swimming pools in Bradford.

Don't forget the real reason for this topic is -

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Cllrs Atkinson and Naylor's special councillor's surgery will be in Silsden Town Hall on Wednesday, January 28, from 6pm to 8pm, and it is hoped, will be attended by an agent for the housing developer.

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Note: This is a Ward Councillor Surgery where you can see the plans and talk to your Ward Councillors (Adrian Naylor and Chris Atkinson). This is probably just the first of many large development plans which will be proposed for Silsden. If you have any concerns you should make your views known eg infrastructure, sewerage, flooding, transport, traffic congestion, schooling etc.
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28/01/2015 : 12:20:19      reply with quote


Surely now is the time to have, at the very least, a weight limit from the roundabout at Addingham to the bypass of 7.5 ton, except for access.
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29/01/2015 : 10:57:34      reply with quote


Reservoir flood alert could hit Silsden homes plan Keighley News today

www.keighleynews.co.uk/news/news_keighley/11757317.Reservoir_flood_alert_could_hit_Silsden_homes_plan/

The meeting last night was well attended. Residents, mostly from the area surrounding the proposed development asked questions of the councillors and the development agent. The major concerns were the infrastructure problems and the access of the site via Bolton Road.

These concerns are something which will affect everyone living in Silsden and residents were urged to put their concerns to Bradford.

You can still add your comments but you must be quick:
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01/02/2015 : 20:06:41      reply with quote


Peter, you say we can still add our comments, is there a new deadline? However I note all previous public comments and opinions (about 40) have been removed from the Bradford Planning web page. Do you know why? All the consultant documents etc are still there and more being added so it seems a bit one sided.
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10/02/2015 : 08:18:26      reply with quote


CAMPAIGN groups fighting development across the district are gearing up for their next big battle.

Next month, a Government planning inspector will examine Bradford Council's blueprint for housebuilding across the district over the next 15 years.

The Council’s emerging Local Plan sets out roughly where 42,100 homes should be built across the district by 2030, on a mixture of green fields and previously-developed land.


www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/11782308.Battle_looms_over_locations_of__42_000_new_homes_across_Bradford/
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10/02/2015 : 13:34:47      reply with quote


I like the council's approach. Flushing all the NIMBY groups out in one go.

We need more houses.

Not sure they should be build on land suitable for food production though. Better to use low yield land. The Ilkley Moor ridge looks like a good place to start. Certainly enough room for 42000 homes on the useless moorland.

Then there's the Aire Valley. Build some storm drain structures such as we see in Californian based movies, and then build over them. Potential flooding removed and extra room for houses.

My favourite though is Mega City Yorkshire. Everyone is moved to a mega tower city so making more land available for food production.

Finally a nice plague to reduce demand is another alternative.

Just be careful what you wish for.
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15/02/2015 : 12:41:37      reply with quote



RESPONSE FROM THE DEVELOPERS TO THE MEETING HELD IN THE TOWN HALL - 26 Jan 2015

Re the proposal to build 62 houses off Bolton Road

The full response from the agent for the developers
news.silsden.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/8205-002-01-Response-to-Comments-Raised-at-Silsden-TC-Open-Meeting.pdf

Traffic Calming Proposals




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15/02/2015 : 21:46:17      reply with quote


The speed ("safety") camera looks like its pointing the wrong way (up hill) or will it catch people going down hill as well?
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16/02/2015 : 10:02:05      reply with quote


The proposals for the Traffic calming to Bolton Road, for the proposed 62 houses, only considers traffic calming from the North and does not address any measures coming out of Silsden! Cars, motorbikes and even emergency vehicles often race up the road.

The whole scheme is diabolical and the proposal of a safety camera as well!!!
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16/02/2015 : 10:23:06      reply with quote


You can still put your objection in for this planning proposal here

www.planning4bradford.com/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NGD104DH02F00

if you support the plans you can do that too...... using the address above.
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17/02/2015 : 13:38:36      reply with quote


An interesting document objection to the plans from Highways for this proposal - can't see round the wall to exit onto Bolton Road because the pavement isn't wide enough to get far enough out to see round the wall. Not enough parking provided. Bus stop provision woefully inadequate and dangerous to use. Pedestrian access though to Nab view would be dangerous (no pavement).

On the traffic calming scheme it has been observed the location of the safety camera would do nothing to slow traffic the traffic down past the junction because it would be pointing the wrong way.

This is where the proposed entrance to the estate will be (by the island, the island would be resited further up Bolton Rd)


Read all about it and put your comment in here:
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17/02/2015 : 14:58:41      reply with quote


There is always an objection from highways followed by a last minute meeting between planners,developers and highways and hey presto everything is fine!!!!
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17/03/2015 : 11:50:33      reply with quote


contrary to what Cllr mallinson said in last weeks kly news this application will not be dealt with at bfd tomorrow the application will be heard somtime in april, watch on here as I said I will keep you informed.
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17/03/2015 : 13:53:29      reply with quote


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There is always an objection from highways followed by a last minute meeting between planners,developers and highways and hey presto everything is fine!!!!
On the 11th March Highways posted this



Read the full statments and all the planning documents here
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