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GAMEKEEPER
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28/04/2015 : 15:29:02      reply with quote


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I attended a very interesting meeting on the history of the Kings Arms last night. What history exists for the former Bridge Inn or the pub that used to be at the top of SKIPTON road?
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The Thanet Arms was an earlier name for the Bridge Inn, which is the oldest surviving hostelry in Silsden.
Its origins go back to the 1600s when ale was brewed at a farmhouse here (long before the canal was built!)A little old stable, connected to this alehouse from this time. still remains on the canal towpath.
An inn developed in the early 1700s when it was first known as the Coach and Horses, and then the Boot and Shoe Inn. There is an old sign dated 1799, depicting a boot and shoe, over the original inn doorway, which can be seen now from the beer garden. It also bears the initials I S L, which refers to the Longbottom family who had a long connection with the inn. An 1822 trade directory lists John Longbottom as victualler.
The canal was dug through Silsden between 1769 and 1773 and eventually, in 1826, a new road (now known as Keighley Road)was built at the other side of the inn, along with a bridge going over the canal. This meant the inn had to extend upwards and a new front door was created at the roadside, with a new name the Thanet Arms. Another trade directory from 1882 lists Elizabeth Tillotson (a Longbottom ancestor) as victualler, at a time when there were very few women in that role! The inn became The Bridge in the mid 20th century.
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28/04/2015 : 18:58:47      reply with quote


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or the pub that used to be at the top of SKIPTON road?
Do I remember something about Crossmoor Farm being a pub.40 odd years ago it sold sweets and pop from its living room so could have been a pub before that.
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28/04/2015 : 19:12:36      reply with quote


Let's hope greenlanes is available, he's the chap that can usually answer our local history requests.
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29/04/2015 : 11:38:11      reply with quote


Yes there was a pub at crossmoor and I remember buying mars bars from the window a long time ago
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29/04/2015 : 13:43:49      reply with quote


Posted on behalf of Jim

Crossmoor Farmhouse, Silsden Description: Crossmoor Farmhouse
Grade: II
Date Listed: 25 January 1985
English Heritage Building ID: 418960
OS Grid Reference: SE0295246429
OS Grid Coordinates: 402952, 446429
Latitude/Longitude: 53.9140, -1.9565

Location: Skipton Road, Silsden, Bradford BD20 9AA

Locality: Silsden
County: Bradford
Country: England
Postcode: BD20 9AA

Ale-house, now forms a dwelling. Late C18 or early C19. Hammer-dressed stone, dressed quoins, stone slate roof. 3 storeys. 3-bay symmetrical facade originally, with later C19 addition to ground-floor 3rd bay. Paired doorways with monolithic outer jambs share
a common composite central jamb,cyma-moulded cornice with arched date-plaque set over, inscribed
" C "
J E
1818
1st floor (over doors) blind. 2nd floor has square, sashed window with plain stone surrounds. Outer bays have similar windows to each floor. lst-floor window of 1st bay has altered glazing and lowered sill. Gutter brackets. Gable stack to left. The date-plaque refers to the last landlords John and Elizabeth Cockshott.

W.N. Cathey, A Pictorial History of "Old Cobbydale", (Silsden, 1979) p.22.
Formerly known as the "Grinning Rat" in consequence of the sign which hung over the door: a portrait of the landlord dressed in hunting jacket and a green smiling rat perched on his shoulder. W.N. Cathey,ibid.

Listing NGR: SE0295246429

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29/04/2015 : 13:55:18      reply with quote


When was it pulled down?
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29/04/2015 : 15:05:20      reply with quote


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When was it pulled down?
Still there on the roadside as you leave Silsden, righthand side
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30/04/2015 : 13:59:36      reply with quote


The old ale-house at Crossmoor was called The Grinning Rat (or t'Ratten). It never had a licence; this was simply a 19th century farmer trying to earn a bit of extra money by brewing out at the back and selling beer from his living quarters.
Don't be fooled by the 1810 date-stone which can still be seen on the front of the house. It was actually built in the 1680s (which makes it one of the oldest dwellings in the area looking pretty much unchanged.)
At the time, Crossmoor (one of the original five manors of Silsden) was made up of several small farmsteads. It was quite a hard life up there for families such as the Pighills, Coates and Heatons - but it was the Cockshott family who lived for almost a century at this house known as t'Ratten.
Most of these farmers lived off their sheep. They combed and spun wool, but never had much of an income from it. Some of them set up nail-making forges but during the 1830s and, shortly after his marriage and starting a family,John Cockshott began selling beer. He put up a sign showing a merry landlord with a grinning rat on his shoulder and there was a steady trade, the Silsden-Kildwick road being a main route at the time. John, who also continued to work as a wool-comber, and his wife Hannah produced at least ten children, so the beer money was very much needed.
The Grinning Rat ceased shortly before John's early death in the late 1850s but was still known as T'Ratten decades later. Hannah continued to run the farm for a while but all the children were expected to do their bit by working as wool-combers instead of going to school, including the youngest aged 9. Eventually most of them left to live in The Becks and work in the mill.

Groceries and sweets were served in a small way from the same house, and presumably for the same reason, during the 1940s-1960s.
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30/04/2015 : 15:03:03      reply with quote


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Thank you for that greenlanes. absolutely fantastic, not forgetting Peter thank you.( and also Jim )
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30/04/2015 : 16:21:46      reply with quote


Perhaps we should have a weekly history quiz
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30/04/2015 : 18:03:09      reply with quote


Greenlanes I remember buying pop and spice at mrs clarksons as late as 1976 ,we used to call a lot when out and about, the lady who lives there now is the daughter of the late mrs Clarkson she is called mary greenwood and a rieght grand old lass she is.
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30/04/2015 : 18:03:10      reply with quote


Greenlanes I remember buying pop and spice at mrs clarksons as late as 1976 ,we used to call a lot when out and about, the lady who lives there now is the daughter of the late mrs Clarkson she is called mary greenwood and a rieght grand old lass she is.
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30/04/2015 : 18:03:13      reply with quote


Greenlanes I remember buying pop and spice at mrs clarksons as late as 1976 ,we used to call a lot when out and about, the lady who lives there now is the daughter of the late mrs Clarkson she is called mary greenwood and a rieght grand old lass she is.
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01/05/2015 : 11:16:46      reply with quote


Skippy - did you buy three lots of sweets???
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01/05/2015 : 12:24:47      reply with quote


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Skippy - did you buy three lots of sweets???
He can remember things from years ago but struggles with things a few minutes ago....he forgot he had posted it...its an age thing!!
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07/05/2015 : 17:16:21      reply with quote


Thanks again Jim and Peter,please note the date.
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09/05/2015 : 16:42:10      reply with quote


might be an idea to send to our new local councilor so he can learn about his area he will be serving
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