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Mickyfinn
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11/03/2016 : 22:37:34      reply with quote


Residents may not be aware that there is a serious problem with existing sewerage piping that runs down under the beck which connects properties to the north of the town with the main sewer at the bottom of Howden Road. This old pipeline is of a smaller bore to the main sewer & during periods of heavy rainfall this pipeline above Howden Road cannot discharge into the main sewer & consequently backs up & overflows through inspection chambers into property yards. Yorkshire Water have investigated & to date cannot resolve this issue which as you may well imagine is rather unpleasant. The thought that even more properties are to be built at the top of the town does not bode well for those who will inevitably be affected.
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12/03/2016 : 07:46:58      reply with quote


Everytime a large planning application comes up the builders book a hall and have a so called consultation.
We, as a town should book a hall and have residents concerns laid out with photographic evidence.The Environment Agency,utility companies and the Town and district councils invited.
There is a need to build up a picture of how things are now and what they will be like in the future.
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12/03/2016 : 08:04:30      reply with quote


Micky...remember Bradford Councils district wide flood reports that did not refer to flooding in Silsden. I have asked Bradford Council for copies of specific reports into flooding at the bottom of Howden Road which they legally had to compile. It is looking like the have not even recorded the flooding.
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12/03/2016 : 20:06:52      reply with quote


Gazzer, our problem with sewage backing up in sustained heavy rain conditions is, in my opinion & in the opinion of Yorkshire Water technicians I spoke too,directly related to the construction of housing at the former plastics factory site at the bottom of Howden Road, a similar site at what is now New Close Avenue, & housing built on the old Methodist Church site. In more recent times this has been compounded by drainage run-off from the housing development above Daisy Hill. I have seen live camera footage of the main sewer at the bottom of Howden Road, a raging torrent, virtually preventing the sewer pipe running down the beck from discharging into the main sewer. The Yorkshire Water technicians explained that it was virtually impossible in these conditions to drain the smaller bore sewer pipe. In my opinion no further construction of housing in the town should take place until infrastructure, like drainage & sewage issues are resolved. It is far from amusing to see the sewer inspection chamber metal cover lifting under pressure of backed-up sewage & having to repeatedly clean-up the stinking mess, & knowing that it will happen again & again.
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12/03/2016 : 20:45:02      reply with quote


Correction to the last: for New Close Avenue read St.John's Close & the Paddock.
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12/03/2016 : 20:58:31      reply with quote


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Everytime a large planning application comes up the builders book a hall and have a so called consultation.
We, as a town should book a hall and have residents concerns laid out with photographic evidence.The Environment Agency,utility companies and the Town and district councils invited.
There is a need to build up a picture of how things are now and what they will be like in the future.
WHAT AN EXCELLENT IDEA. Perhaps it would be better to do it on the back of the "so say" consultation. They usually finish at about 7pm, if we could then have our own meeting with a chair and minutes taken we could then record our views of the plans before they get distorted by the "obligatory" survey the planners insist on carrying out, which usually have no bearing on the actual development. With a chaired meeting we could invite interested agencies to answer our questions, even the representatives for the development could attend, but it would be our meeting. happy :)

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12/03/2016 : 23:13:45      reply with quote


Of course if the sewers are not up to new housing then the town will have to be dug up while new sewers are installed. Nice new sewers will mean nice new houses to use the new capacity. Not a problem for me, but I suspect plenty of nimbys do not connect the two situations!!
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13/03/2016 : 18:49:23      reply with quote


Things were bad in the 19century. see link. www.gracesguide.co.uk/images/9/99/Er19320715.pdf

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13/03/2016 : 19:14:20      reply with quote


Midway, my ancestor, who had escaped the famine in Ireland settled in Bradford in the late 1840's. He, & his family lived in Fawcett Court close to the present City Hall. Commissioners sent to investigate the state of health in the town refused to go into the area because of the appalling stench emanating from raw sewage in the Beck. Moving on to 2016 I am back to similar conditions with regard to raw sewage in rural Silsden. An exaggeration, I know, but still unacceptable.
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13/03/2016 : 21:37:56      reply with quote


Mickyfinn, issue court proceedings,

If your property has been damaged by sewage you may be entitled to compensation to make good the damage or harm caused.

This would be through a claim against the Director General of Water Services because the water company responsible were negligent by failing to provide and maintain effective drainage. By not maintaining the drains resulting in overflowing sewage they fail in their legal duty of care to the people affected.
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15/03/2016 : 12:20:52      reply with quote


Can we believe anything Yorkshire Water is telling us, this problem has been going on for decades.

A sewer that is leaking raw effluent onto farm fields will not be able to cope with additional waste generated by proposed housing developments, it has been claimed.
Councillors in South Craven say urgent action is needed to upgrade overloaded sewers at Steeton before any new housing is built in the area.
Coun John Harker, chairman of Glusburn and Cross Hills Parish Council, said as well as sewage, sanitary towels and hospital waste such as rubber gloves are among the effluent spilling into fields at the bottom of Thornhill Road. He says the situation is as bad as that in a third-world country.
“This has been going on for so long that this seems to be an accepted thing,” he said. “It’s an absolute outrage. There is raw sewage spilling into that field and all the planning applications for housing developments in South Craven will only exacerbate the situation.”
The Aire Valley’s main trunk sewer pipe runs through the area and Coun David Mullen, chairman of Steeton-with-Eastburn Parish Council, said problems occurred at two stone chambers which connected to the pipes.
“The pipes themselves are not level, but you can tell where it leaks because you can see it spouting out,” he said. “The chamber erupts and the sewage lifts the lid. There is so much of it, even after one hour of rain.”
To help alleviate the problem, Coun Mullen said Yorkshire Water had built up the earth around one of the square chambers to contain the sewage.
“It has stopped it overflowing, but it stills comes out in the next field,” he said. Coun Mullen, who lives on Thornhill Road just a few houses away from the fields, said: “I’ve lived there for 35 years and this problem has been going on since then.”
He said recently-approved plans to build a hotel and 220 houses in Steeton would add pressure to the overloaded sewer system.
A spokesman for Yorkshire Water said: “We realise that no incident of sewer flooding is ever acceptable and that’s why we’re doing all we can to investigate the cause of the problem, in order that we can try to resolve it as quickly as possible.
“On each occasion of flooding, we have offered to send out a team to clean up the affected area. We also have teams go out several times a week to check everything is running smoothly at a number of points along the sewer.
“In order to ensure the sewer is blockage free, we recently spent £20,000 cleaning it and removing all of the silt which had accumulated within it over the years.
“Unfortunately, whilst we did this successfully, it does not appear to have resolved the problem.
“We’re aware of the increased pressures the sewer system will come under as a result of new-builds and developments in the area and we want to reassure local residents that we remain absolutely committed to addressing any issues with the local sewer network and ensuring it is fit for purpose and able to perform its vital role effectively and efficiently.”
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15/03/2016 : 12:28:31      reply with quote


The problem just goes on and on.

The new Keighley Low Level Drainage Area Plan is the work of Yorkshire Water in collaboration with councillors and public bodies. The groups came together in 2011, following a severe escape of sewage, to form the Aire Valley Sewerage Group. The 2011 sewage flooding centred on the Aire Valley Trunk Sewer, a concrete pipe that runs through fields.
Steeton-with-Eastburn Parish Council chairman David Mullen said that the Sewerage Group, which also includes the Environment Agency (EA) and the Aire Rivers Trust, has held several productive meetings.
A Yorkshire Water spokesman said: “The severe flooding was the result of the blockage of the pipe at Steeton with a large amount of fat and silt. A significant amount of debris has been removed from the pipe.”
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15/03/2016 : 17:16:17      reply with quote


Obviously all needs replacing with higher capacity sewers. Might as well go the whole hog and build them big enough for much more than the current population, whose rates, and the rate from all the new housing possible with the enlarged system will make it possible.

So what is the new town on the Aire valley to be called?

It is a no win situation for nimbyism. Sewers need replacing. No real extra cost in replacing with a larger capacity system.

It is going to happen. Lots of new housing along this part of the Aire valley and all the huffing and puffing will not stop it. Might get us a decent sewer system sooner than later.
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Call for freeze on house programme

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Residents are calling on planners to stop all housing development near three villages until a mains sewer is upgraded.

Bradford Council has earmarked land for 1,500 new homes in the Silsden, Steeton and Eastburn areas as part of its Unitary Development Plan.

But residents, who have sent a petition to Bradford Council's transportation, planning and design committee which meets on Monday, fear the sewage system cannot cope with anymore effluent.

Their demand comes as Keighley MP Ann Cryer calls on environment minister Michael Meacher to order Yorkshire Water to make public a drainage survey which water company officers have just completed. Yorkshire Water says the document is an internal company document and can only be scrutinised by appointment.

But Mrs Cryer said: "This document ought to be made public because it is such an important health issue. It should be summarised and made available at libraries at the planning office.''

Petitioner David Emmott, of Quarry Lodge, Eastburn, said residents had seen raw sewage leaking from the pipe after heavy rain over the past ten years

"It's causing environmental and pollution problems which will be increased by any further load being put on the pipe by more houses being built in the upper Aire Valley,'' he said.

He added residents were calling on Yorkshire Water to publish the results of the survey.

And the petition to Bradford Council calls on it to suspend all housing development until Yorkshire Water increases the capacity of the sewer.

A spokesman for Yorkshire Water said a mathematical model of the drainage system had been completed and would be audited by an external body to check that it represented what happened in the system.

It was an internal document and would not be released to the public, but it could be examined at the office and officers would answer questions on it.

A Bradford Council spokesman said: "The drainage study will ascertain whether the necessary infrastructure is in place to minimise pollution."

He said officers are recommending that the head of transportation and planning reported back to the committee once the findings of the drainage survey were known.
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The Environment Agency confirmed it had received a number of complaints about spillage from the pipe. "When the drainage study is completed we will have a better idea if the capacity is there,'' she said.
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15/03/2016 : 17:22:39      reply with quote


Sewage protesters: Here's our evidence

Wednesday 19 January 2000 / News
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Campaigners have presented to a drainage engineer photographic and written evidence about sewage spewing into the Aire Valley.

Chris Wotherspoon met campaigners who are demanding a ban on housing development in the valley until the sewage system is improved.

They claim it is overloaded and that filth regularly escapes from manholes into water courses.

Mr Wotherspoon is working for Babtie drainage engineers, who have been hired by Bradford Council to investigate the capacity of the sewers.

John Walker, of Halstead's Way, Steeton, who is calling for wide scale improvements in the valley, arrived for the private meeting armed with graphic photographs of the problem.

"We told him about our concerns and what we have found out about the system over the years," he said.

One photograph showed a leaking manhole cover surrounded by filth running into a beck. Another revealed condoms and sanitary towels around the exit of a combined sewage overflow at the side of the River Aire.

Joining him were Jan Burgoyne and Janet Mitchell, of Silsden Town Action Group, who have opposed plans for hundreds of new homes in the town in Bradford's Unitary Development Plan.

Also present was Penny Ward, of the Aire Valley Conservation Group.

Mrs Burgoyne said: "We have been saying all along - ever since the inquiry into the UDP in 1995 - that the sewers in the valley cannot cope and there should be no more housing until they have been improved."

Councillor John Cope, who also attended the private meeting, said: "I am concerned to know whether the sewers have the capacity to cope.

"We need to find out, objectively, what the situation is so the developments can be carried out or, if there are problems, find out if they will prevent development."

Yorkshire Water last summer carried out a drainage-area survey to look at the impact on the system of a proposed 1,500 new houses in the valley.

It revealed that adding new housing development to the existing system would cause detrimental flooding to pipes running under Silsden.

Yorkshire Water intends starting work on a five-year project to increase sewer capacity this year.
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A spokesman said: "We are aware that Bradford Council is employing external consultants to look at the drainage area study that has been done. Yorkshire Water is co-operating fully and awaits the outcome."
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Yorkshire Water monitors sewers in Silsden and Steeton

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Water bosses are considering upgrading a main sewer that has been leaking close to houses in South Craven.

Following a series of articles in the Craven Herald earlier this year, Yorkshire Water has begun monitoring sewage flow along sewers in the Silsden and Steeton areas.

Depending on the findings, upgrade measures could be added to the company’s spending programme later this decade.

The monitoring project has been welcomed by politicians representing both villages, who have long called for improvements.

Silsden town councillor Adrian Naylor and Steeton parish councillors David Mullen and Su Thompson went along to watch a team from sub-contractors Mouchel begin several weeks of exploratory work.

Coun Mullen said Steeton residents had complained for a long time about the state of the sewer, which was near capacity.

He said: “It is not unusual to see overspill from the main trunk sewer in the surrounding fields.

“This monitoring will provide Yorkshire Water with the evidence to back-up what the residents of Steeton have always known that the sewer desperately needs investment.”

Coun Naylor said Silsden and Steeton were part of the Airevalley Sewer Working Group which meets with groups including Yorkshire Water and the Environment Agency.

He said: “This exploratory work is needed because we are potentially facing development of up to 2,500 new houses in the coming years.

“It will show that major investment is needed to meet the growth that Bradford has identified in the Local Development Framework for Silsden and Steeton.

“Yorkshire Water has capital programmes which work on a five-year cycle, so to be included in the programme for 2015 to 2020 this evidence needs to be part of a business plan submitted by 2014.”
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A spokesman for Yorkshire Water said the monitoring would investigate issues such as flooding and what stresses the sewers were under, including bad weather.

He said: “It's been a long-standing issue in the area. Hopefully we’ll get to the bottom of it. It’s a positive step.”
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15/03/2016 : 17:48:09      reply with quote



1 Belle Vue Square
Broughton Road
SKIPTON
North Yorkshire
BD23 1FJ



Telephone: 01756 700600
e-mail: sbrown@cravendc.gov.uk

Please address correspondence on this matter to:
Stephen Brown


Date:20th February 2012


Dear Sir / Madam,

Re: Bradford Core Strategy DPD: Further Engagement Draft Consultation



“…there is a particular concern by the Environment Agency relating to new
development potentials within the catchments of the Aire Valley trunk sewer. This sewer
collects the foul drainage from the areas of Kildwick, Glusburn, Cross Hills Sutton-on-Craven, Steeton and Silsden and now is at or near its capacity. As a result there is a risk that the sewer can overflow which will have a negative impact on the amenity of the area and also pose a risk to human health. There is an additional risk that the sewage may enter a watercourse and cause damage to the aquatic environment.”

We would therefore recommend that the proposed housing growth at Silsden and Steeton with Eastburn be planned and phased to take place after essential upgrading of the Aire Valley trunk sewer. We propose arranging a meeting between planning officers of our two authorities and Yorkshire Water on the matter of the future upgrading of the sewer.

I trust you find the above comments useful and look forward to further cooperation between our two authorities on local development strategies.

Yours faithfully


 

Stephen Brown
Principal Planning Officer
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15/03/2016 : 18:03:35      reply with quote


https://www.bradford.gov.uk/asp/planningDocs/documents/0493%20ENVIRONMENT%20AGENCY.pdf
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15/03/2016 : 18:46:26      reply with quote


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https://www.bradford.gov.uk/asp/planningDocs/documents/0493%20ENVIRONMENT%20AGENCY.pdf
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https://www.bradford.gov.uk/asp/planningDocs/documents/0493%20ENVIRONMENT%20AGENCY.pdf
A very interesting read
Yes worth saving a copy I think.I am guessing Mrs Beverley Lambert works for the Environment Agency and this could be classed as an objection to future building on their part.
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Obviously all needs replacing with higher capacity sewers. Might as well go the whole hog and build them big enough for much more than the current population, whose rates, and the rate from all the new housing possible with the enlarged system will make it possible.

So what is the new town on the Aire valley to be called?

It is a no win situation for nimbyism. Sewers need replacing. No real extra cost in replacing with a larger capacity system.

It is going to happen. Lots of new housing along this part of the Aire valley and all the huffing and puffing will not stop it. Might get us a decent sewer system sooner than later.

No real extra cost? How much do you think major civil engineering projects cost? It'll likely be millions for this upgrade.
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16/03/2016 : 08:07:55      reply with quote


If the alternative is a typhoid problem then it looks like new sewers will be built.
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16/03/2016 : 08:34:32      reply with quote


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If the alternative is a typhoid problem then it looks like new sewers will be built.
Are you sure?. Parents warned kids 40 years ago not to play in the beck under the canal by Hainsworth Road because it was known the sewer pipe leaked but nothing seems to have changed.
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