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old_miner
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20/03/2016 : 08:16:48      reply with quote


A leaflet arrived yesterday letting me know my wannabe local Tory councillors want a bridge across the bypass and a flood barrier on the beck.

Has anyone actually considered the design of a suitable bridge? Also the access footpaths?

As part of other major infrastructure work such as building a bypass and new sewers. How much? 20 million? 50 million?

Throw in 'where's Jack' transport proposals for transport access to the airport and it seems to me there is either a pot of money we know nothing about, or we are suffering pre-election empty waffle.

As for the beck, when the wall goes the repair costs will make the flood gate expense look like peanuts.
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20/03/2016 : 08:47:49      reply with quote


even if they built a bridge i reckon poss a 3rd of people would still dash over the road if clear as they are always in a rush..similar to silsden main st 3 crossings but i see loads of folk just crossing the road anywhere and they are poss some of the people that campaigned for them in the first place 'sad :(');
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20/03/2016 : 10:14:27      reply with quote


Well said doggy
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old_miner
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20/03/2016 : 19:49:15      reply with quote


Realised today that there are two pedestrian bridges across road and railway in Bingley. Neither looks like a cheap option.
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20/03/2016 : 20:18:16      reply with quote


Forget a bridge across the A629 which will cost a fortune and there is no guarantee it would be used. Just think how many shuttle bus rides could be provided for the same money. A shuttle bus service could be run to suite commuters and actually meet trains and get you home nearly dry.

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20/03/2016 : 21:14:22      reply with quote


Tesco is being asked to help fund the 1 million cost of a new footbridge over the Aire Valley trunk road.

www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/11240891.Tesco_asked_to_fund_bridge_over_Aire_Valley_road_at_Silsden/?ref=mr



Councillor Andrew Mallinson (Con, Craven) said there had been a good case for many years for a footbridge.He said when he last investigated the cost of such a project, it came to nearly 1.5 million. He also said there were land ownership issues, which would need to be resolved first.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/13877182.MP_petitions_for_footbridge_over_Aire_Valley_Trunk_Road/?ref=mr&lp=18

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21/03/2016 : 10:06:33      reply with quote


As driverless cars are developing fast so will be driverless buses. A few such battery buses with automated charging could run continuously between the station and Silsden, Steeton etc.

NOTE: this a NOT a stupid or joke suggestion. This technology is progressing faster than I imagined. Automated public transport from a fixed transport hub like a railway station is an ideal situation for this technology.
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21/03/2016 : 12:33:23      reply with quote


There's no way I would get on any driver less road vehicle.
have you seen how many of them have been involved in accident over in the US?
I have read they are going to test driver less truck trains on the M6 in Cumbria, I only hope they let everybody else know when; so we can stay away.
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21/03/2016 : 13:43:46      reply with quote


You do have to question why? but driverless transport has been around for years eg the Docklands Light Railway has been working well since 1987, and not a train driver in sight.

I am only aware of the google driverless car accident which didn't understand the buses need time to stop, but I'm sure that will not happen again.

I'm not sure the relevance to a driverless shuttle bus between Steeton and Silsden except it would make it much more viable due to the lack of wages which would need to be paid.

I visited York a few days ago and used the Park and Ride, they use electric buses which are excellent. Electric buses have come a long way from the milk float. You really couldn't tell the difference between an electric and a diesel powered bus - well perhaps you could because it wasn't smelly and it had lots of decals to inform you how environmentally friendly you were being by using an electric bus.

Driverless transport will come.
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21/03/2016 : 17:05:49      reply with quote


Hope your not going off thread Peter
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grandad
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21/03/2016 : 17:38:16      reply with quote


There is a world of difference between a driver less train and a road vehicle.
You say the google ones didn't understand that a bus needed to stop, that says it all, any vehicle might need to stop.
Will it see the feet of a child moving underneath the front of a stationary bus? I did and stopped before the child stepped out in front of me.
I can live with things that might help the driver but not one that takes control.
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21/03/2016 : 18:19:33      reply with quote


The bus ran into the google car because the programming didn't allow for bus requiring a longer stopping distance because of momentum. As I said it will not happen again.
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21/03/2016 : 19:27:13      reply with quote


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There's no way I would get on any driver less road vehicle.
have you seen how many of them have been involved in accident over in the US?
What all of 1! How many happened in the uk? Ok Yorkshire, or even Silsden in the last year????
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grandad
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21/03/2016 : 21:07:55      reply with quote


Peter
There as been more accidents than that one, I saw an item that said there had been about 20 of them, involving not only Google cars.
And you need to compare the number of driver less cars to the number of one with a driver to get a true comparison.
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21/03/2016 : 21:18:52      reply with quote


I know subways are controversial security wise, but why isn't a subway through the dual carriageway looked at for cost comparison? It would take up less room and could potentially be installed with a contraflow system on the other carriageway like they did with the bridge strengthening at Crossflatts a few years ago. Yes it would occasionally flood but it would be available to use most of the time.
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21/03/2016 : 21:26:49      reply with quote


At least 80 people are missing after a driverless oil tanker train derailed and exploded in this small Quebec town, destroying dozens of buildings.

Officials confirmed one fatality, but warned the toll could rise. One firefighter said on condition of anonymity that there had been at least 50 people in one bar that was consumed by the flames. ''There is nothing left,'' he said.

www.smh.com.au/world/80-missing-as-driverless-train-crashes-20130707-2pjxb.html
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21/03/2016 : 22:55:24      reply with quote


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a driverless oil tanker train derailed and exploded in this small Quebec town
If memory serves me correctly, the only reason the train was driverless was because the train driver had parked it up overnight outside the town and didn't secure the brakes properly.

On the subject of the bridge over the A629 - it's a long distance to span over the carriageway. If it was started on the left (keighley side of the roundabout) that would be ok for the Leeds direction but what about when you come back? Climb up the steps and down the other side to get to the footbridge? How is that going to work.

Start it on the Kildwick side of the roundabout and what use would it be?

It's not a simple up and over solution, whichever way you look at it, because there is already a road bridge over the rail line.

Anything which takes people out of their will not be used, take the example of a footpath going round the edge of a field, if the destination is diagonally across then that's the way people will take, footpath or no footpath.

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22/03/2016 : 08:52:58      reply with quote


The logical position for a foot bridge might be diagonally from the Kildwick side of the bridge directly to the station.

However, that narrow footpath on that side of the road down towards the bridge needs widening. I suppose a crossing could be placed between the wide path that stops at the bridge. Not a good spot.

All of this is pretty obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense. That politicians, of all persuasions regular promote the idea without thought to the context is rather worrying.
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